George Hofmeister

That's because this is a user-to-user forum, LG has no official involvement on the forum.

To be honest I've no idea if they are supported, but the USB ports are only 2.0 and as such would not be fast enough to support Gigabit networking.

If you are getting nothing but a boot logo it sounds like it might be dead on arrival.

Sadly Smart TV feature improvements and additions are currently moving a such a pace that models from even a couple of years ago are physically incapable of running those new features available on current models. I imagine that this applies not only to LG but other manufacturers, the only way around this is to purchase a dumb TV and plug a box in to it, a ROKU would be a good choice. For comparison of how well other manufacturers are doing I like to look around Samsung forums, they are always good fun and the grass is so much greener over there: https://www.avforums.com/forums/samsung-tvs-forum.145/ https://eu.community.samsung.com/t5/TV-Audio-Video/bd-p/uk-tv https://us.community.samsung.com/t5/TVs/bd-p/tv The following article details the issue with YouTube (circa 2015) and iPads (circa 2013) that stopped being able to use the service because Google upgraded things behind-the-scenes. https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2015/may/04/google-youtube-versions-upgrade-smart-tv Technology, buy it and expect it to be obsolete by the time you have it home from the shop and do not expect it to function as you imagine it will or have the feature set you deem requisite.

Hi ChrisJ, Yes you should be fine to leave it disabled, the router handles all the incoming and outgoing traffic splitting and forwarding it between the internal and external networks. The router should be the only device visible to your ISP and if they use IPv6 it would be issued an external IPv6 address externally, the internal network it would have a IPv4 address.

Are you on an internal network that uses IPV6 or does your TV connect to the internet directly (i.e. not through a NAT enabled router)? If your answer is yes to either of these then yes enable IPV6.

Hi WynQat, This is a user-to-user forum, there is no official LG support here only other users who will try to help with any issues raised.

Hi PK, To cover a couple of your posts, there are two version of webOS one closed and one open source, very similar to Android which is not entirely open and completely different to iOS which is completely closed, but all are 'nix based. It is not necessary to run either version of webOS itself to develop apps for the platform, that is what the SDK is for. The open source version of webOS is aimed more at developers who want to create additions and improvements to the platform, say add codec support for a particular video format, not those who want to create apps for it. Anyone developing for a Smart TV platform, not just webOS, would need to learn how that platform's SDK works. The submission process is going to be similar for all Smart TV platforms, and LG provide a payments gateway allowing developers can monetize their products. If someone was looking to develop for webOS then here is where they would start: http://webostv.developer.lge.com/ There is even a quick tutorial on how to create a test app: http://webostv.developer.lge.com/develop/building-your-first-web-app-webos-tv/ I see no reason why you cannot approach Jio to inquire as to whether they will develop support for the webOS platform. Reliance Joi are a commercial entity, there are LG Smart TV owners using a platform they do not currently support. Most companies would, I imagine, welcome feedback from customers to help identify market segments they are not currently supporting, pointing them at an untapped revenue stream. Jio have an official Twitter customer support feed: https://twitter.com/jiocare or there is a email contact page on their website: https://www.jio.com/en-in/contact-us#horizontalTab2 Development for webOS is theoretically one of the easiest to work with as is uses fairly standard web programming languages such as HTML, JavaScript and CSS. So if someone can write a fairly sophisticated web page then app development for webOS should not be outside of their capabilities.

Currently there is no way to do this, it is a common request from users but as yet LG have not chosen to implement it.

You call it dumbed down, I call it differently featured. May be we should stop calling them mobile apps, and instead call them Smart TV apps to differentiate them. At the end of the day the Smart TV is not a mobile platform, on the whole they have less processing power than a flagship mobile phone. Expecting them to fulfil the role or have the same feature set of a desktop PC or your mobile device is doing them a disservice. Thank you for assuming that I am in an advanced country, although I should point out that there are people in advanced countries that do not use their television to watch Kardashians, CNN or ads and I fall in to that category. However I do use my TV mainly to consume content, preferring to use a 'proper' computer to work and study with and the like. Sadly I do not think that you will find any current Smart TV platform will live up to your expectations. A quick browse around the internet will throw up similar issues with all the other major platforms. While it still has its own particular set of issues Android TV would be your best bet, or a computer on a stick fitted in an HDMI port which would give you that full blown desktop functionality you desire. If you did not require a browser I would have suggested a ROKU device or TV would be the best option. While it is not the responsibility every website owner to produce an app for webOS, it is their responsibility to make their site compatible with as broad a range of browsers possible. If your site does not work with browser 'A' get the site to recognise that browser and deliver pages to that platform in a manner that works. Basically embrace and implement the spirit of Web 2.0.

Hi, Thanks for the feedback, may be other users interested in an NBA app can start contacting them to show that there is a real interest in webOS being supported.

Hi, I cannot suggest a way of doing it with FTP/web browser, basically the browser is very limited. But if the server has the capacity install Plex Media Server; I highly recommend it. My extended family watch mine from down the road or across the world while on work trips and vacation.

Hi, If you hear anything please let the forum know, especially if you get a name then other users can badger them as well.

Hi, Yes I get that you are trying to stream hit bitrate streams, but no I did not know about the Netflix bitrate. When it comes to the WiFi I am not suggesting that something is interfering with the signal, more that is there anything else on the 2.4GHz/wired networks that are using bandwidth? The traffic is going to pass through the same modem router at the end of the day. Do you have access to an alternative modem/router for testing?

So you have experienced buffering on both wired and wireless connections? Just because the content provider's server is capable of streaming 4K and you connection can hit a peak that should be good enough, there are a whole lot of things between them and you that can cause issues. I was not thinking of interference with the 5GHz WiFi, but more people using the local/house network. For instance Windows does have not bandwidth restrictions so if someone downloaded a file while you were streaming Windows will potentially hog all the available bandwidth. Some modem/routers offer bandwidth quotas for devices, this would help prevent such a problem. Another things to think about is whether the modem/router has the latest firmware installed. If you know someone with a suitable Netflix account (or any other service with 4K content) and would let you use their details you could stream a 4K video with them to see if you had the same issue.

The simple answer is no, but as long as the bitrates do not top 100mbps then the standard network card would do fine. So you could at least do some testing with a cable to see if the issue is with the WiFi itself or something else. That said the AC wireless card in the TV should be more than equal to the task you are asking of it. What source are you trying to stream from? Are you streaming directly from the modem/router to the TV? Is anyone else in the house using the network when the buffering occurs?

Which app in particular? Is it possible to un-install the offending app and attempt re-installation?

Hi Basketball Jones, I have just replied to your post elsewhere: https://www.lgwebos.com/topic/3692-netflix-on-webos-browser As for the responder (yes it was me) saying that LG don't build apps the availability of an NBA app in an app store does not mean that is not produce by NBA. Apple, Google et al do not produce every app in their respective market places.

Hi Basketball Jones, You are not hijacking the thread at all, it is an open forum you are more than entitled and welcome to chime in. Sadly the reason their is no app for NBA is that they have not produced one, and it appears that the app that was produced for Samsung's Tizen platform is no longer available. So when they say their League Pass is available to 'Watch on any device', you can just as long as it is not webOS or Tizen. Again I imagine device market share has a lot to do with it, they do produce for: Android Mobile and Tablet Android TV Apple TV Chromecast iPhone and iPad Playstation Roku Xbox One Xbox 360 Elsewhere on the forum I have said that LG should approach paid content providers and offer to produce apps for a percentage of the subscription sold as a way of monetizing app production. This would of course fund production and provide a fuller ecosystem which in turn would make the platform more popular which in turn would drive and increase sales.

Hi Mr G, No I do not work for LG, or the forum, or anyone who produces apps for Smart TV platforms or mobile devices. I have done very (very very) basic HTML & CSS coding, sold websites, worked with people who have designed websites for major companies, database and software for the NHS and well as working in IT for SMEs and home consumers. So I feel I have seen a fair side of both camps, the producers and the end user. In no way do I defending LG or any app manufacturer for badly produced apps. But, I will defend an app that does not provide all the features that people feel it should have. An app not have a feature does not mean it is a bad app, it is just that feature is not available. A webOS 'Hosted' app is most definitely a convenience for the company that produces the app. That app can be updated on their server today, a fault found and a fixed version being installed on the server as soon as it is available. It also makes it possible to change layout and funtionality changes immediately just as YouTube have done in the last couple of weeks. A 'Packaged' app on the other hand would require submission to LG for quaility control checking and approval before it is rolled out to the consumer via the app store. Which could take weeks. As for dumbing down the browser I feel it is expectation over reality. While I will admit the browser is more limited than others; you cannot right click in a browser on a phone or tablet either. Owers of Samsung's TVs make similar complaints about the lack of Flash support in the browser on the Tizen platform. The bulk of LG's TVs are aimed at the consumer market and as such not really aimed at those who want to use it for work eight hours a day. If someone needs the full functionality of a desktop browser then what is needed is just that. Yes badly coded apps are a pain on any platform, but in the same way blaming Google for a bad app from a third party would be unreasonable you cannot blame LG for an app they did not produce. Apps (on the whole and I am sure there are exceptions) are not produced by LG, so if a content provide does not produce one it is they that need to be chivvy'd along to make one. YouTube's app is notourious for crashing, but they make the app so why blame LG? Re-writing code to play video is not necessarily just a case of writing a few lines of code. In Netflix's case they use a JavaScript programme to do that, it is how that utility interacts with their entire backend, APIs etc means that just replacing it with some HTML may not be that straight forward. The Netflix app has been designed from the ground up to work with their backend, API's etc, which is why it works, the website was not designed to work with an HTML5/CSS only browser. Why should LG bulk out their coding when there is an easy platform to programme for? Websites not working in the webOS browser again is not LG's fault, it is the fault of the website scripting kiddies for not catering to the webOS platform, or Tizen etc. If Joe Bloggs Sole Trader's website suddenly stopped working when Google released a new version of Chrome do you think Google would rewrite it just for him? No, the website scripting kiddies would reformulate the site so it worked with that version of Chrome. Firefox is a great browser, but Mozilla have spent eighteen years and tens of millions working on it. It is however unlikely Mozilla would ever recode it for webOS, Tizen or any other Smart TV platform (with Android TV being the only exception) as they hold so little market share it just would not be worth the investment. So to sum up, is the web browser bad? No it is just limited. But that is just my opinion.

Hotstar are currently working on an app for the LG webOS platform, a little searching around the web will throw up some info. Apparently it was meant to be release earlier in the year but Hotstar ran in to technical difficulties. An email to Hotstar from all concerned would at least show them there is an appetite for an app and my help hurry them up getting it to market.

Hi Mr G, No your are right there is no need for a long discussion, people do things the way the like doing them. Nothing wrong with that. As for Netflix not working in the browser, well it could be a few things: 1. Netflix's backend does not recognise the webOS browser, simple enough to cure in theory; just code in the browser ID string 2. The webOS browser does not meet the HTML5 requirements needed for Netflix, while it is pretty good it falls behind others such as Firefox, Chrome and Opera 3. The most likely culprit is probably a plugin on the site that the webOS browser cannot handle, in this case it is more than likely cadmium-playercore which is a JavaScript based player. While the webOS browser does support JavaScript it probably just does not like media players based on it, another user had a similar problem in this thread: https://www.lgwebos.com/topic/3555-ken43 YouTube uses HTML5 to play videos, not relying on anything else hence it runs happily in webOS.

YouTube should run fine as it detects a compatible browser and then only uses HTML. Silverlight like Flash is pretty much dead in the water and no manufacturer if their browser does not support it now is going to bother building in support for it. Out of interest why do you want to watch it in the browser and not the app?

Plex Media Server, players for desktops and streaming devices all free. What do cost money are Plex Pass and mobile apps. Plex Pass is not essential for day to day use, but the ability to sync content to mobile devices makes it well worth the money in my opinion. If you are on the Plex mailing list they occasionally run promotions, my lifetime membership cost considerably me $74.99 instead of $119.99. When it comes to the mobile apps, well they are not not exactly expensive. Of course you have to have a Synology device that is supported by Plex so it is not the be all and end all. A article on Plex Pass will tell you whether or not you need it: https://www.makeuseof.com/tag/reasons-do-not-need-plex-pass/